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tuna-fish_sushi · Jun 30, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

yeay im 2nd to post my charmed

StellarAshes · Jun 30, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

On the 9 ring, there are 20 games in a row, 8 seconds each (5 in between, 3 countdown). There's a cool down of 30 seconds after 20 games. So effectively, every 20 games takes 190 seconds. It takes 45455 x 55 wins to get to 2.5 mil. Which means the amount of time it takes is:

45455 / 20 * 190 = 431822.5 seconds = 119.95 hours = 4.998 days.

Almost precisely 5 days; I still think ANet did this on purpose.

EDIT: However, in this sense, nobody will ever get the highest tier on Unlucky, unless the 16 ring is faster than the 9 ring.

Swinging Fists · Jun 30, 2006, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by StellarAshes

Am I the only one who thinks that the highest tier (translated as Lucky Star Ascendant on wiki) of lucky *actually* describes that one is actually really lucky as it is near impossible for people to obtain it in 5 days? Same with the unlucky one. I think you have to be really really lucky (or unlucky) to get the highest tier.

DING DING DING - WE HAVE A WINNER !!!!! All the mathematical analyses assumed just going AFK and having average luck. But if you actually, ARE (EXTREMELY) LUCKY, you would win far more tickets than the posts lay out and I believe it would be possible to achieve a higher title than it seems that time allows for. Although it is "possible" to max out the lucky title, you would not only have to win nearly every round, but there would have to be a severe distortion toward the corner squares winning in the nine circle game. I think it works out to needing an average of about 46 tickets won per round to get 2.5 million over the course of the 5 day event, which obviously requires the corner squares. So, not only would you have to pick the right squares, but ANet would have to distort the corners to be much more frequent winners.

The unlucky title simply cannot be maxed during this event no matter what because the number of losses required is greater than the number of games played over the course of the 5 days. Assuming one game every 8 seconds, there are only 54,000 games to be played in the five days.

There simply have to be other events, other than this one in subsequent years, for these two titles to be developed.

edit: I was unaware of the 30 second cooldown, so my numbers are off by that.

ultimastrike · Jun 30, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Solar Light

heres my snippit screenie,dont argue with me about proof. i can prove it easly. messing with large screenies isnt somethin i wish to deal with, just pm me or add my monks name here to the freinds list, and Loki, please give credit where its due

if we want to go into a detialed arguement about credit...then we could i suppsoe, but most ways of figuring times as to title aquirement and such, just saying that i didnt get my screenie up at the time is a bit cheap, i got a post in and a screenie made up and posted also, my comps pic software slowed me up a bit, which i guess i cannot prove

Sorry Solar, but I'm going to have to go with Loki as being the first guy to prove he had the title. I understand that you posted first, but that alone doesn't really prove anything. Watch:

hey guys, guess what! I just got the 5th tier! w00t!

The guy who posts the screenshot first is the first one to get it, as far as I'm concerned. Grats though on accomplishing it, that's a lot of tickets.

Cherno · Jun 30, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by StellarAshes

45455 / 20 * 190 = 431822.5 seconds = 119.95 hours = 4.998 days.

Good thing err7s never happen. Oh wait....

Eet GnomeSmasher · Jun 30, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

For a game supposed to be about skill, they sure seem to like adding titles based off of nothing but grinding and/or having lots of gold. Which is also often attained by grinding.

Kind Of A Big Grinder.

Uhhh but the titles dont do anything. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Zero.

So the argument about skill and grind means absolutely diddly squat. Seems like people are just repeating that mantra without even knowing what it means. And yes, I totally subscribe to the skill over grind philosophy.

Theus · Jun 30, 2006, 08:39 PM // 20:39

In my opinion grinding means doing something consistantly to the point where one finally achieves his/her goal.I mean,you can grind for levels,items etc or in this case, Titles.

Xenrath · Jun 30, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Well I do know what it means; if you're not a frequent PvP'er it still means for the majority of titles you need to either a) grind a lot or b) have a lot of money to spend... and b) is more often than not attained through a)

Protector/Explorer titles take some effort and time to achieve as you actually have to go through missions and such and achieve something, the same can't be said of stuff like drunkard or gold/chest running as those are typically just doing the same repetitive task over and over again (i.e. grinding)

If they put more titles in which required some sort of effort other than needing lots of gold/time, that would be more interesting I think and reflect better overall on the achievements reached to get those titles.

scrinner · Jun 30, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Ive been reading this topic, and sure to hell, alot of people are pissed. But you guys do realize, this is just too have a silly time with your friends? I mean come on its just a game, You dont need This title do you? However i do agree about the devs releasing Proper info at the site. What we should expect, complications and etc. Right now very few titles can get maxed, A Tyrian Cant Map Cantha 100% (Shing jea arena) Let alone tyria itself (Old Arenas). But if you planned from the beginning then you will get rewarded. I say the titlesare there if your bored and have nothing else to do. I say Exploration Title FTW. These titles are there for the fun of it, And from the way these updates are coming, you can see Anet is busy on something else. Relax and just make new characters if you are bored.

- My Two cents

Rent · Jun 30, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by scrinner

A Tyrian Cant Map Cantha 100%

Yes, they can.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Jun 30, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

Well I do know what it means; if you're not a frequent PvP'er it still means for the majority of titles you need to either a) grind a lot or b) have a lot of money to spend... and b) is more often than not attained through a)

Protector/Explorer titles take some effort and time to achieve as you actually have to go through missions and such and achieve something, the same can't be said of stuff like drunkard or gold/chest running as those are typically just doing the same repetitive task over and over again (i.e. grinding)

If they put more titles in which required some sort of effort other than needing lots of gold/time, that would be more interesting I think and reflect better overall on the achievements reached to get those titles.

No you still dont understand. It doesnt matter that some titles are grind based. It has nothing to do with the skill over grind philosophy because titles do NOT do anything. NOTHING.

The skill/grind philosophy refers to actual combat. Especially in PVP. The theory is that you dont need to grind to be competitive in PVP. Titles have nothing to do with that. So stop using the skill/grind argument.

Carinae · Jun 30, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Because maybe they don't want to buy the particular new Chapter, and if not they should not be penalized for that. And the title descriptions do not list "We will strip this title from you later!" therefore it would be unfair and completely morally wrong to shaft players like that.

Plus once they do it for "elite skills" then it would create a slippery slope where they start doing it with everything else too. Kind of a Big Deal grind/timesink is already ludicrous enough without having to worry about having maxed titles be stripped from you.

No. They could do two things here.

1) Split the skill hunter title by campaign, just like the cartographer titles.

or

2) Make the title maxable based on the chapters available on your account. You would lose the title if you added a new chapter to the account, but it wouldn't be a surprise (zomg I lost the title1) Plus, if you did add a new key, then you probably try to re-max it.

What bothers me is that there are now several silly titles, and they are silly in the WORST ways.

Drunkard
Lucky
Unlucky
Wisdom

These are dumb titles, afk, exploit based, skill-less money-sink titles AND THEY ARE ALL MAXABLE!

The Skills Hunter title doesn't max even if you cap every elite in both chapters. So killing 180 elite bosses doesn't count, but drinking+zoning does!!??!

And there is no title AT ALL for Quests. There's a title for missions though, but not quests. They could easily make a Quest Title for non-repeatable non-holiday quest completion. You'd think that would be a virtual given.

So basically, you can get 4 titles that have some degree of meaning but to get that 5th title, you MUST max one of the silly ones.

I just don't get their logic.

Cherno · Jun 30, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by scrinner

Right now very few titles can get maxed, A Tyrian Cant Map Cantha 100% (Shing jea arena) Let alone tyria itself (Old Arenas).

You can do both of these. I went into the shing jea arena last night. Also the dragon fest lets you into the little tutorial area to map out (but even without that you can).

A tryian can get 100% without having the old tyrian arenas unlocked, I know because I did it without them. It is just a little harder without as much leeway.

None of the title are IMPOSSIBLE to get, but they are stupidly high in their requirements to max on most of them.

I do agree that the one planning for the elite skills is not fair. If I don't buy the next expansion then I am SOL. Best to get it as soon as you can when you get the next expansion anyway as they will probably raise it again in anticipation of the 4th chapter.

Levi Garett · Jun 30, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi

yeay im 2nd to post my charmed

Wow only 4/25 Tyrian Mission Completion? That's really sad if that's a Tyrian char!

Carinae · Jun 30, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

No you still dont understand. It doesnt matter that some titles are grind based. It has nothing to do with the skill over grind philosophy because titles do NOT do anything. NOTHING.

The skill/grind philosophy refers to actual combat. Especially in PVP. The theory is that you dont need to grind to be competitive in PVP. Titles have nothing to do with that. So stop using the skill/grind argument.

I understand what you're saying, but the Explorer, Protector and Skill Hunter titles require a certain degree of competence and skill. I'm not saying that are a direct indicator of ability, but they are NOT TRIVIAL. I had to kill every mob in both continents and then re-kill 157 Bosses to get double GMC, double Protector and ASH. I resent being told they are meaningless. Taken together, they do say something, although they are not a direct objective measure of skill, of course.

A Questing title would also be listed in the non-trivial category.

The Drunkard, Lucky, Unlucky and 'Wisdom' titles are silly pointless titles. You don't have to even play the game to get them. Silly titles are OK, a few are, but there are so many now that they are diluting the ones that mean something.

StellarAshes · Jun 30, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Cherno

Good thing err7s never happen. Oh wait....

We are talking about luck aren't we? And if you have the luck to win 45 thousand times in a row (that's probably more unlikely than winning a few lotteries in a row), I'd think that they would be lucky enough not to have err7s. We're just talking about a very, very extreme case here--just that it's possible, but not probable.

Xenrath · Jun 30, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

No you still dont understand. It doesnt matter that some titles are grind based. It has nothing to do with the skill over grind philosophy because titles do NOT do anything. NOTHING.

The skill/grind philosophy refers to actual combat. Especially in PVP. The theory is that you dont need to grind to be competitive in PVP. Titles have nothing to do with that. So stop using the skill/grind argument.

Carinae kinda explained it a bit better - grind is not exclusively actual combat. Repetitive task over and over which takes little to no effort is what I mean by grind e.g. running to some chests over and over. ID'ing things. Drinking and zoning. Standing around for ages on some guessing game. None of those take any real effort. Farming for gold to take part in those things arguably doesn't take much thought/effort either (again just a mindless repetitive task after you've done it the first time)

I think quite a few people would resent that achieving full explorer/protector and similar titles in the PvE side of things can be dismissed as meaningless/pointless.

Note I did also specifically mention if you don't regularly PvP, as I suspected, correctly, the "PvP is what matters" train of thought would be exhibited... besides, let's not turn this thread into yet another PvEvP thing eh

Clone · Jun 30, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Wow, this one is going to be way too expensive for most of the general population to max out. They might as well just make an NPC that will craft you a "Lover of Gold Sinks" title for a full stack of ecto and be done with it.

B§x¿44¶»1@$ · Jun 30, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

I'd like to say some nasty words to many people here but I won't- I'll be civil.

People are complaining about how they went and spent money in an attempt to max out their titles, only to find out the max level is next to impossible to obtain. The titles are made for a fun type of thing for people to work towards. Like status symbols.

The dev's don't mean to harass you with the max level being whittled out a good 10 hours after people start work on the titles. So you've put some effort into the title- keep going. See just how lucky you really are and get as high as you can.

Iceman2 · Jun 30, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Here's a thought... at the end of the event, don't log out? Maybe then you can stay and max the title.

Will get lonely, but hey...

thats sounds like a good idea, just make sure that you have a lot of money with you